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John Lear — Untimely Passing of a “Far Out” ET Legend ….

John Olsen Lear ….

In a field perceived by most to be replete with “conniving con men, blatant hucksters, shameless publicity seekers and outright pathelogical liers …” John Lear was a “UFO investigator’s” investigator:

A no-nonsense former airline captain (he even flew for the CIA) with a penchant for asking the right “organizing questions, out of piles of unorganized details,” John’s specialty was “the big picture”:

Who were “they” — who were so demonstrably visiting Earth right now in human history — and “what” did “they” want of us … if not our planet?

In the midst of our on-going Enterprise Mission “ET Communications Experiments,” as we have lost a truly unique “seeker after ET truths …” — John Lear — I thought it would be appropriate to take some time with one of John’s best friends, another former pilot, Jim Goodall … and reminisce tonight about why John Lear was “one helluva of a classic UFO researcher ….”

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James Goodall

Spooky Skunk Works Airplane Bio for Jim Goodall

How did a kid who grew up in the middle of a former apricot orchard that is now called Silicon Valley end up as one of the worlds’ leading experts on the Lockheed Skunk Works, Area 51 and things that go “bump” in the night? It started with a handful of random events.

My very first exposure, and ultimately my love for all things Skunk Works and airplanes in general, began with a brief encounter that cemented my fascination and love for airplanes.

The time was 1950/51. We lived in a duplex not far from what was the small San Jose Municipal Airport. I was about 5 years old and had gone to bed just before sunset. I was getting settled in when my Dad came into my room and said… “There’s something coming, and I think you should see it.” We went outside looking toward the Coast Mountains. Low over the peaks came not one, not two, but twenty-four Convair B-36 Peacemaker heavy bombers on the way to Travis AFB. I was hooked.

Move forward a few years and our family now calls Los Altos, CA home, In 1954 my best friends’ dad was commander of Moffett Field Naval Air Station; at that time one massive base with over 400 aircraft assigned there. The Marines, who guarded the base, always referred to Danny and myself as … “Captain Smith’s son and that friend of his!” We had the run of the place.

On this particular day, Danny said he had something to show me. We headed over to the Big Hangar 1 and went to the far end nearest to the Bay. There was an area that was roped off with curtains shielding something very special behind the veil of secrecy. There were no guards, just a sign that read… “Off Limits.” Too tempting for a couple of seven-year old.

Behind the curtain was the still secret Lockheed XF-104 Starfighter. We walked around in awe, as this was right out of science fiction. Danny then through down the gauntlet; “Get in the cockpit!”, so I did. Danny closed the canopy and the latch malfunctioned. I was stuck!
We both tried to open it for a few minutes when I began to panic. The only way out was to call the Marines and the Shore Patrol; boy, were they pissed or what! Nearly 70 years later, my butt still hurts.

Fast forward to March 1964. I’m an 18-year-old Airman Second Class (name of the rank was changed for PC reasons) in the Air Force and was sent TDY (Temporary Duty) to Edwards AFB to install and maintain their ground base telemetry system for three Category One testing programs. The first two were public knowledge; the YC-141 Lockheed Starlifter and the North American XB-70 Valkyrie, plus a classified program. That program was Kelly Johnson’s ultimate interceptor, the Mach 3+ YF-12A.

On March 10, 1964, at approximately 1515 hours (3:15 PM), I saw what was to change my life forever. On the XB-70 test pad was what I first thought was the North American X-15 rocket plane, but the people were way too small. Much to my amazement, I had my first glimpse of Kelly’s incredible Mach 3+ Blackbird in full afterburners, the YF-12A. I’ve never been the same!

In the spring of 1968, via the US Postal Service, I formally asked Lockheed, the United States Air Force, the Department of Defense, and the Central Intelligence Agency for unclassified photos the of the SR-71 on the ground or in the air. I was willing to pay the published rate for color 8x10s. I was turned down and never received any of the photos I had requested.

The year 1975 was a watershed year; my dear friend, John Andrews, introduced me to an aviation character named John Lear, the son of the “Father of the Lear Jet,” William Lear. It was through Lear that we discovered a path to the top of White Sides Mountain, 2,000 feet above our camp site location. On top of the mountain was an unobstructed panoramic view of the once very secret, Area 51.

November 1988: After seeing and photographing the Lockheed Skunk Works F-117 for the first time along the fence line at Tonopah Test Range (TTR), John Lear and I headed back to Las Vegas. We arrived at John’s home about 9:15 PM, and ten minutes later a young man showed up. I had print film that needed to be processed and all of the FotoMats (way before digital photography) were closed. I wouldn’t know if any of my images were any good until well into the next day. John’s friend told me he had a Kodak C-41 film processor at his home. That friend was a guy named Bob Lazar.

We needed to head back to John’s friend’s home to process some film. There in living color was the very first non-DoD, or Lockheed photo, of the first operational stealth fighter, the F-117A Senior Trend.

Had the Air Force, Lockheed, DoD and the CIA honored my photo requests in 1968, I would have been happy to just move along. But, as with all things government, their unofficial “official” policy was to not cooperate; so, I started digging, the more I dug, the more I found out and the deeper I dug.

I would not be where I am today, in the field of spooky programs, if our government had given me what I wanted in 1968. I would have remained happy and my name would never have been associated with Area 51, the Blackbirds, the F-117 or the Skunk Works. And, Ben R. Rich and I would never have been friends.

That’s how a young kid from Los Altos ended up 60+ years later being an expert on much of what has come out of the brilliant minds of the men and women at the Lockheed Martin Skunk Works.

Cheers...Jim Goodall


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A-12 #128 on 10 OCT 90





A-12 60-06931 at Site Ten at AF Plt 42




A-12 931 LH Lo-res Black Shield in the air





A-12 931 Loading into a NY ANG C-5A on 29 Oct 91 Lo-res




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A-12 Recovery #17





A-12 Recovery #22A





Area 51 Card 08 JUN 18






B-2A Spirit ~ General Tibbits & I #B








Bob Lazar and JCG #2






Cover Art 07 MAY 21 








Crystal #3 #A-Rev 0.1








Crystal #8






JCG at the Skunk Works #1







JCG next to the Spirit of Kitty Hawk 3 JUN 14








John Lear & I July 2018






Nautlius to Columbia Book Cover






SSN SWF-VA Class Book Intro Photo #A



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6 Comments so far:

  1. BrianKovar says:

    A couple of years ago I met a retired air force guy. He wasn’t into deep black or anything but he still had interesting stories of his time in the airforce in the late 90s.

    The most interesting stories he had though were of the gremlins that like to get into your machinery and do their little antics.

    I would give anything to hear stories of gremlins doing their thing to those deep black technologies.

    I mean it has to have happened atleast once.

    Although If your at that deep of a level of security clearance. You have to know gremlins are very real among other entities.

    You would also probably have some way to scare them off.

  2. MrBlack says:

    CRIKEY all mighty! Have you people ever heard of or even considered, for just a moment, to do your radio show ‘guest interviews’ on LANDLINES? (both ways) Yes… that very old reliable technology that has been around, and is in fact still around, (although, probably not for much longer) called a hard-wired connection aka LANDLINES! (anyone who had their landline cut off in favor of iToys is NUTZ!) Why not just carry on with the show when this happens? It’s called improv. Richard, you have so much material to talk about, just pick something from your own pool instead of trying to juice up yet another re-run? And you suggest backups to your guests? The one person on planet Earth that has not a single backup for doing his radio show when one glitch after the other strikes at you. BACKUPS people BACKUPS! In Richard’s case, backup every piece of hardware and software at least 3 times… 3 computers, 3 monitors, 3 electrical generator systems including 2 waterwheels, Hell, get a monkey to peddle a bike generator. (the show must go on, or so it used to be) Richard has to be the unluckiest person on Earth, much less radio itself, and he has so much material well worth listening to him talk about. Forgive me for this, but one live show every 2 months or, if lucky, one a month does not constitute a good radio show. Happy trails… (endofline)

    • Warren Pierce says:

      Maybe time for Richard to move to Pahrump, Nevada and do open lines for several weekends. East of the Rockies what’s your beef?

  3. Jay says:

    Richard,——-1 you have a great guest right there in the person of keith——-2 you have Ron and the rest of the team. Call and find one to interview ——-3 you can do a listener call-in show. Just solicit listeners to call in

  4. Jay says:

    Call Ron Gerbrin. Interview him

  5. Don K Johnson says:

    Can you please ask your guest if its true that Lee Harvey Oswald toured the Burbank Skunkworks before the assassination of JFK?
    And as a result the CIA put LSD in the coffee of the workers that saw him there.

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